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  • Help with bead stringing!

    Hiya, it's been ages since I've been on here but I need your help! I have just discovered bead stringing, but I'm having trouble with the wire slipping through the crimps & the wire protector. I made a lovely necklace a few weeks ago, with larger beads on the end of the necklace decreasing in size as they go up the neck, but I think they may have been too heavy which caused the wire to slip through on one side and the necklace broke. How can I stop this from happening? I always make sure my crimps are on tight. Help!
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  • #2
    Hi, with a heavy weight necklace I always use a good 49 strand beading thread, then I use tornado crimps, that in my opinion hold better than standard crimps. Nothings infallible, but they haven't failed me yet
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    • #3
      Thank you! I've just googled them, and it sounds like they will do the trick so I will give them a go! I've made a gorgeous necklace with gemstone beads but I'm going to take it apart now and try it with different wire & the tornado crimps
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      • #4
        Can I ask something too. When beading, do you need to put knots or spacers between each bead or can you just string them together? And is beading thread different to tigertail?
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        • #5
          Tigertail is fine,but can kink so I tend to use beadalon, they have different thicknesses of thread and different strengths ie 19 strand, 29 and 49 strand, you use the higher number for bigger and heavier beads. As for how you space your design it's personal choice and design, I like to space stones with crystals or spacer beads.
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          • #6
            I always double crimp and cover every necklace and never had one fail in three years.

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            • #7
              I have found this with cheaper wire that I buy for my cheaper bits, especially when I double up on the wire (like a 2 strand necklace)
              So I now just use beadalon 19 or 49 strand, and the best quality crimps I can buy
              These are the best I found so far; 2mm twisted crimps from the silver corporation, can't post a link direct for some reason
              the silver is quite thick

              silver plated crimps seem to break very easily
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              • #8
                Thank you all for your help (Hello Di!). I knew I would find the answer on here! Have a good excuse to go and buy lots of new bits now to try it out
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Luna-Loco View Post
                  Can I ask something too. When beading, do you need to put knots or spacers between each bead or can you just string them together? And is beading thread different to tigertail?
                  Tigertail is just a generic name for beading wire, which is actually multiple stainless steel cables encased in a sheer or slightly tinted plastic covering. It's very strong and flexible, but does need to be secured with crimps - you can't knot it very well. It comes in a variety of weights [0.15 is a good general weight, 0.18 for heavier glass or gemstones] and thicknesses - 7, 19, 21 or 49 strand are the commonest. 49 is the slinkiest and most flexible, but 7 is more than adequate for most uses. You can get silver or gold plated as well as 925 sterling, replacing the stainless steel cables, which is lovely for illusion or floating necklaces, and also in different colours to suit the beads you are using. Beadalon, Soft Touch and Soft Flex are some of the readily available and good quality brands.

                  Beading thread is like a fine strong sewing thread and is used for bead stitching and bead weaving designs. It comes in a wde variety of colours and several weights but can stretch abd fray over time. Fireline is a very good alternative, it's very strong, won't stretch and is very affordable. It's actually a bonded fishing line [and much cheaper in angling supplies shops!!] and comes in various weights depending on the type of fishing it's intended for [ 6lb and 8lb seem to be the commonest and more than suotable for beading needs]. It's superb if your bead stitching design uses crystals, as other threads can be cut by the sharp edges, whereas Fireline is not. It only comes in two colours, crystal or smoke, but you need to wipe the smoke variety down with a piece of kitchen roll before working with it, as the colour can come off.

                  You can also use beading silk, which tends to come packaged on a card with a needle already threaded, It comes in all kinds of colours and is primarily used for pearls, but can also be used for lighter gemstone beads.

                  You don't need to knot between your beads, though you can if you wish and like that effect. You can add small seed beads in toning or contrasting colours if you are using large beads and need to build in flexibility or if you want the knotting look without using silk.
                  Heather
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                  • #10
                    Heather has explained things very well.

                    Just to add a couple of things to the information already given, beading wire is all made with very fine strands of wire, twisted like a rope, then covered in plastic. It's the plastic covering that gives it it's colour - gold, silver, copper, purple green etc. And you use them all in the same way. They do say you can knot 49 strand, but I'd trust crimps more.

                    The strand count (7, 19, 21 49)determines the quality, strength, flexibility and price of the wire, all of which increase with the number of strands. 7 strand has one lot of 7 strands, and 49 strand, the best and most expensive, has 7 lots of 7 twisted together, which is why the quality is so much better.

                    Then diameter - this is the figure that says .012", .018", .024" etc. This determines the thickness of the wire, so a 49 strand may be finer than a 7 strand, while still maintaining it's superior qualities.

                    There are also many different brands. Beadalon is one of them, but there is also Accuflex, Beadsmith's Flexrite, Acculon and probably others, and a huge range of colours, diameters and strand counts available.

                    And there are different ways to finish off the wires - crimp into a necklace end, use crimps and crimp covers, or (my favourite) the Magical Crimping pliers, which turn a crimp tube into a bead.

                    It all gets quite complicated, but I hope that information is helpful.
                    Celia
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                    • #11
                      Oh Gaaaaawd, it's all gotten complicated with all these options.

                      Thanks for your help!
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                      • #12
                        Wow, thank you all for the information! I didn't know half of that, so it's very interesting to read. I have since ordered the tornado crimps, so now I just need to get the wire, and away I go!
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                        • #13
                          Luna, don't worry too much. Start with the cheapest option, which is 7 strand, and don't worry about the brand...they're all good, unless it's really cheap stuff. I use either Flexrite or Accuflex, because they're the ones I stock, but would be happy with any of the leading brands. Once you get used to using it, try the 49 strand, and you'll notice the difference.
                          Celia
                          I can't be creative and tidy too
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gchilinski View Post
                            Thank you all for your help (Hello Di!). I knew I would find the answer on here! Have a good excuse to go and buy lots of new bits now to try it out
                            Hello gemma
                            Hope you get it sorted
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                            • #15
                              So, I went into the bead shop today and asked some stuff and the woman's like "Oooh, is this your first time beading? You need loads of tools and it's not as easy as people think, you need to know how to tie knots" Then she proceded not to tell me what tools I would need or how to tie knots. She just overloaded me with not very helpful info and then was really dismissive. Way to lose a sale!

                              Think I'll try online!
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