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    Im new and I do alot of beading and most of my bracelets are using plain designs so to speak, but there are some bracelets I make from patterns in books, and I have a book of beading animals. However i want to start selling these and I was wondering can i sell anything I have made if I have got the design from a book. Im not sure where I stand on this. Can anyone help, also on general copyright and selling?

  • #2
    Im in the same dilemma.
    Id like to sell rubber stamped items but wasnt sure if i could sell other peoples designs.
    I was found that there are 'Angel Companies' who allow you to use their stamps and sell on any work they have been used on.
    I dont know if this is the same with bracelet designs tho.

    All I can suggest is that you look at the small print at the front or back of the book and see if it has a copyright symbol or says it has copyright.

    There is a site which sell books, alot of them are copyright free.They may have some suitable books/designs for you.

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    • #3
      Re: copyright on designs

      I can't really answer but there is no two ways of making beaded animals, so, say you make a crocodile like I have in my avatar, well there is only one way of making it, isn't there. Same for jewellery, if you use beads and memory wire, you'll get the same result as a lot of designs using these.

      The copyright issue, I think, would be more into the sale of the instructions to make the items, not the actual finished items.

      I hope someone can help more...
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      • #4
        Thanx, yeah it is quite confusing and i obviously didnt want to sell stuff and then fined etc for it!!


        • #5
          Any answers on copyright issues?

          I've just joined this forum and this is one of my main issues!! Most craft items, whether they be knitted, sewn, cross-stitched or designs on cards, crockery and so on and so forth are based on or a product of a pattern. I would tend to agree that it would be the sale of the instructions themselves that would cause an issue but i'm really not sure.

          Has anyone come up with an answer to this as i'm stuck and don't want to finish my new website until I know!!

          Any other comments/help/advice on this would be welcome


          • #6
            From what I've been able to find out (although I'm no lawyer, so not an expert), most pattern designers are happy for you to make 'pin money' from their designs. The copyright seems to actually cover distributing the pattern itself.

            I have contacted a couple of the designers whose beadweaving patterns I use, and they are more than happy for me to sell those pieces, so long as they are credited with the design itself.

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            • #7
              Thanks for that info - its a real help. I have worded my Terms & Conditions to state that I do not have any rights in connection with patterns but may now add a "credits" page to my "important info" so the relevant sources are actually quoted.

              Thanks again!


              • #8
                What about people who make clothes from patterns and stuff - I would have thought it was the same principle....
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                • #9
                  Yes, I would tend to agree JB - as long as you don't purport to own the design and give the relevant credit as recommended by melanie. Although I suppose the only way to be absolutely certain would be to obtain the express permission of the pattern designer....


                  • #10

                    Regarding clothes patterns, you are not allowed to sell clothes made from those patterns commercially. You can make up a eg Simplicity pattern for a prom dress into a garment for a customer, but you wouldn't be able to make a garment up from a Simplicity pattern and then sell it at a craft fair - something to do with the copyright.

                    But as with all things you pick up ideas from everything that you see, so if anybody thought you were copying or using their ideas, you would need to show your original ideas and your drafts to show the history.

                    Does that make sense?


                    • #11
                      I think whatever way this is a sticky area and it may be sensible to simply ask for permission before selling anything made in accordance with a pre-bought pattern or design.

                      I'm sure i'll have great fun sorting all that out!!

                      Thanks everyone for all your comments anyway.


                      • #12
                        Good News!!

                        Right everyone - I am hoping this will clear everything up!

                        I have done some reading and just this minute spoken to the government Intellectual Property Office and have been advised as follows:-

                        1 If you use a pattern (i.e. such as a knitting or sewing pattern) from a magazine or a pattern published specifically with the intention of a person creating/making a product then it would be reasonable to assume that there is an implied licence to produce and sell that item.

                        2 It is important to check the pattern, book etc for any restriction to this implied licence - some patterns do specifically state "not to be re-sold for profit".

                        3 It would also be sensible to check the design register at the IPO website as some designs may be registered copyright.

                        4 If a pattern or design is registered - i.e. Thomas the Tank Engine, Mickey Mouse etc... - you may not reproduce it without consent.

                        The above does not mean that you can copy a design from a book/magazine which has not been supplied with the specific intention of your making it as this would not been deemed to be an implied licence.

                        (As always - this is general information provided by the IPO and does not constitute legal advice for your specific circumstances. I therefore make no warranties!!)