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  • Real/fake painting programme, Monet.

    Did any of you see that programme on sunday. A man bought a painitng signed Claude Monet for £40,000, and some top people in the art world said it was fake.The whole programme investigated the painting and found 99.9% proof that it was a genuine Monet.They then went back to the top people and they still denied it was genuine!!
    It made my blood boil!!

    Did you see it, what did you think?
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    Yes I saw it too. Couldn't believe the family refused to accept the evidence just because it wasn't on their dad's list before he died.

    Really felt sorry for the guy.
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    • #3
      I felt like crying for them. The closed world of the Monet assessors was quite ridiculous. I honestly ccouldn't believe the words "it wasn't in my fathers catalogue therefore it is not a Monet."
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      • #4
        Okay, so it might not have been in his list before he died, but surely the evidence prooves otherwise. Like you all say I too feel very sorry for the poor guy who bought the painting.
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        • #5
          Someone needs reminding that science does not stand still. I think that something may happen after the programme as they have been made to look a little more foolish than they would want unless they really do believe that all their money can cushion them from everything and thats what it is all about - money, theirs not ours.
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          • #6
            I only saw the last little bit so didn't really get what was going on. The general consensus was that the painting was a genuine Monet? But certain people were saying it wasn't because of it not being on a list, but basically it was a monet is that it?
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            • #7
              From what they said the foundation didnt even look at the evidence but said that because the old man had said no that they wouldnt go against him. ostrich and sand come to mind. but yes I felt so sorry the the guy whose picture it is.

              It was a fasinating program cant wait to see another one.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Erial View Post
                Yes I saw it too. Couldn't believe the family refused to accept the evidence just because it wasn't on their dad's list before he died.

                Really felt sorry for the guy.
                How ridiculous of them. You think they'd be really excited by the prospect of something new.

                Why did the owner want their verification? If the majority of people are saying it's genuine surely that's enough?
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                • #9
                  I dont know if the top art dealers HAVE to say its a Monet in order for everybody else to accept it and for the owner to then sell it as a Monet.
                  Seems a shame, if the top art guy doesnt want to belive it then its his loss, why cant the rest of the art lovers believe its a genuine Monet and sell/buy it as a Monet.
                  Seemed very much like the top art guy didnt want to ruin the reputation of his father who said it wasnt a Monet previously.A very unfair answer I feel.
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                  • #10
                    Hi.

                    I have worked in the picture framing and art business for 33 years and have a fair insight into some of the ways the art market works. I watched the programme last night and before the result was announced I predicted it would fail as a Monet. The reason is very simple - pride. This French institute is family run and they would loose face if they changed their mind as to attribution.

                    Science can certainly prove attribution and correct errors of attribution. I found the photographic techniques used to investigate this Monet to be fascinating and the physical research required in libraries and Egypt made the attribution 100% watertight.

                    At the end of the programme it was quite clear that paintings by Monet are judged only by this institute, whereas other well known artists are judged by panels of experts. The verification of Monet paintings must be brought into line with the methods of the modern world.

                    Roger

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                    • #11
                      I saw it to, you would think after doing all the research they would at least admit it. poor guy

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                      • #12
                        Great programme. it was captivating but with a sad outcome. I reall felt for the guy.
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                        • #13
                          I just don't see how those people could deny it was genuine. All the other evidence points to it being genuine, and just because they say no, suddenly it's a fake?

                          Have to say I was impressed by Fiona Bruce's fluency in French. Very cool.
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                          • #14
                            As Keystamp says, it was about pride, the younger Wildenstein not wanting to go against the late older Wildenstein.

                            Pretty Things, I agree, I was impressed by Fiona Bruce arguing in French.I keep forgetting she is a journalist and must know a few languages.I just see her as the Antiques presenter and doing something funny for Children in need.
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                            • #15
                              It's about time that family were shown up for their incompetence. Didn't it say part the way through the programme that a painting that they said WAS a Monet, was actually proved to be a fake. They should no longer be held up as the main experts on Monet, they don't deserve the honour.
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